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We have been reading about the two city-states, Athens and Sparta. At this point we haven't discussed the unique battle history between them; however we have discussed the differences between them. It's your turn to "Weigh In" take today's Do Now debate and expand it after reading about the role of women and slave and education in both city-states. Tell us if your mind changed? Why?
I think that Athens was the best city-state because in athens children well at least boys can have an education train for sports and have artistic values, and also in athens you wouldnt have to be worried about violence because athenians people didnt valued fighting another thing is that sparta was isolated and sparta were mean because the were like pirates they'd conquer people and neighbors and that isnt fair!Kyabeth is a boss!
ATHENS
posted by rthompsonsmith | suggest edit
i think athens is the best city-state because the athenians have the right to speak in assembly meetings
By: Yenifer 603
posted by rgordner | suggest edit
I think that Athens are the best city-state because they belived that a good citizen will have a sharp mind on their education. On the other hand people in the milatry were forced to steel food because Sparta didn't have enough food to give them they focused on their strength. but not their body. ( I tell myself how do they do excersice with nothing in their stomach to have energy )
By: Alejandra ( 602 )
posted by Alejandra Paulino | suggest edit
I think that Athens is better because it's a Democracy which means everyone has a say. Also, the Assembly in Athens has power
By:Faith 602
posted by FaithProvidence | suggest edit
I think that athens is better because they get along well with there neighbors, they dont go and attack there neighbors and turn them into slaves.
posted by Nasario de Jesus Jr. | suggest edit
I think that Athens are better because there Assembly had lots of power and the Spart people Assembly didn't
From: John
posted by Lio John | suggest edit
i think athens is beter because they had meetings with citizens that are athen
posted by Angel Rivera | suggest edit
I think Athens are better than Sparta because Athens have a place to meet with their citizens it is called an assembly to talk about their own rights!
FROM: Giselle Jimenez
posted by Giselle Jimenez | suggest edit
Athen rule! because they let people decide for rules and there education is better!
BY: YESSII(602)
posted by Yesenia Burgos | suggest edit
I think Athen because they have better control ! Comapred to the Spartans they like to fight . Grrrr
posted by MaryAnn Cruz | suggest edit
ATHENS RULE PERIOD!!!! because they had a demacrocy and that beats an oligarchy ANY DAY!! by dreisly grullon (601)
posted by Dreisly Grullon | suggest edit
Even though athens had a wall around them it doesnt mean they were afraid Spartans killed helots because they thought they would revolt against them and they didnt even trade because they thought it would give people certain ideas.So in reality Spartans were the scared ones
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THE ATHENS ARE THE BEST THATS THAT THE CAN TRAVEL , TRADE, SHARE CULTURE, AND FIND OUT ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES CULTURE. THATS WHY THEY'RE THE BEST PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
posted by RORO156 | suggest edit
The Athens are better because they have more control of there goverment and Sparta dont have the same control as the Athens do .
posted by anamendez | suggest edit
Athens are expressive people and dont teach kids that as long as you know how to fight youll be okay i would be embarrased if a person aske me what 2 plus 2 is and i wouldnt know but they would say whats a snuff and i know exactly what it is
posted by tiffany | suggest edit
i think is the better City state because they were democretic which means that they could vote and they were better educated than the spartans !
posted by Mark Esquivel | suggest edit
you only want to read book that is what you will do on the athens
posted by Randy Diaz | suggest edit
Anthens are better because they had a freedom of speech dont you want your voice to be heard they had the right to stand up for what they believed in the spartans didnt plus the athenians were actually smarter. BY:ANDYRIVERA
posted by Andy2000 | suggest edit
athens are wayy better because they dont use violence all the time
posted by Angel Valenzuela | suggest edit
I think that athen is the best because they were the first people in the world to have a democracy.
By:Camila Lugo
posted by camilalugo | suggest edit
WHO WANTS TORTURE(sparta) OR PEACE (athens)
posted by Alejandra Paulino | suggest edit
I like tha anthens becouse there smart and they can take over the sparta people by doing something smart
posted by Marifel Lora | suggest edit
IT WAS FULL OUT WAR BUT AHTHENS WON........................................ Problem?
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I think that athens are the best b/c they cared about peoples' education and their health unlike Sparta who did'nt care if their people got an education or not and they did'nt care wether they got hurt or not. i can prove it cause they liked war and in war you fight, get hurt, and sometimes even die. Thats my point and why I like Athens better than Sparta. Karla dominguez
posted by Karla Dominguez | suggest edit
Athens is a better city-state because they only elect people 60 years of age or up . Also, they are not such violent people like Sparta
posted by Yoriell Pichardo | suggest edit
Athens is better than Sparta because they were civilized. Most people chose Sparta just because they were in 300...
posted by domenate | suggest edit
I think sparta is the best because everybody is a citizen and in athens only men could be citizens not women
posted by Hugo Boss Escobar | suggest edit
I think that sparta is the best because the womans hade more rigths with them.
posted by Jorge Morales | suggest edit
Sparta is also better because they were elected based on how many people supported them. By:Hawa 603
posted by HawaKante | suggest edit
I think that Sparta is better because the woman can talk to men and their friend's in public.Also, because Athens had a wall around them so they seem scared to fight!
SHAWN OUT!
posted by TopBoss Shawn | suggest edit
Well my opinion changes the whole disscussion because sparta lets their people take a role in the laws and the oligarchy agrees or not but they at least the give people a chance. or not. stevent cleto
posted by Dominican Chulo | suggest edit
I change my mind about Athens , so Sparta is better because even though they didn't have enough land to feed their people they took some land from their neighbors . Sparta is also bettter because they had armors to protect themselvesss
posted by Chelsea Nau | suggest edit
My other reason why sparta is the best is because they train their children my reason is that is they train their children in case the warriors are not there and they might hold them off and the older children can help in defeating them an d keeping them away from sparta
stevent cleto
posted by Dominican Chulo | suggest edit
umm yesenia you are wrong beacause sparta people rule they are the best they have better controll and good power just saying by:Kenny Ramos
posted by Kkr Suduses | suggest edit
how do they have control when theyre teaching kids to take pain and be agressive
posted by tiffany | suggest edit
Tiffany is totally right spartans have woman do all the work while the men to nothing
posted by Alejandra Paulino | suggest edit
I think Sparta because they don't not let woman and slave be citizen and because some men they were not born in Athens they were not citizens
By: Deycie Hilario
posted by Deycie Hilario | suggest edit
the sparta is the best city-state because they do not get red mark on their cloth if they do not go to the group like athens
posted by Randy Diaz | suggest edit
They have to get people somehow and its not like theyre killing them its just a silly mark
posted by tiffany | suggest edit
Sparta is not good because they train kids to kill what kind of person would do that
posted by Andy2000 | suggest edit
i dont realy know wich to pick until the end of this project but so far im with sparta because there very indipendent and non-dipendent acording to what it says so far in the book and they dont care aabout eny one else accept themselves there selfish but the have to be like that to get what they want!but i dont know yet
posted by imanijordan | suggest edit
Spartans were indepent but the thing they did to be declared independent is unbelievably wrong
posted by tiffany | suggest edit
Think about what the Spartan's have done to citizen and what they held for the future and think about that if you were living there right now would you like or not? That is why I pick Athens because I compared it to myself and the world and how I would feel. So you guys who pick Sparta compare this to you and maybe you would change your mind especially that Sparta did not have coins to trade and we created our own currency.
posted by Alejandra Paulino | suggest edit
I think sparta is the best cause they treat women equally like they should be
posted by Dalila Cuellar | suggest edit
I think sparta is better because spartans give women the same amount of rights as men!
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I think that sparta is better than athens because sparta people had there own way of democracy wich was called oligarchy and also it's better because in sparta you get to start militry training at age 18 and in athens you have to started when your 6 or 7 years old
by argenis toribio601
posted by bossnq190 | suggest edit
Stealing, being sly, and sneaky are important military strategies. Oligarchy was better because it could control the people and the military while the every individual athenians viewpoint is taken into account. Everybody says to compare it to now, that is useless. Those times were the time of war when the civiliation with the best army was the best. Education didn't really help in those times when surviving was the most important. Spartans taught survival skills, not poetry or maths...
Posted by Mridu Mini Kaul on 16/09/2012 at 07:28 AM
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i like sparta cause they had a council of Elders consisted to two kings and 28 other men. so right there it says that the spartans had people have there own choices and not made for them already.
Posted by Dalila Cuellar on 02/03/2012 at 06:46 PM
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of course spartans win hands down. their men were born with 6 packs!
Posted by Devjyoti Patra on 02/03/2012 at 03:32 AM
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booooooooooooooooooooooo for athens they are not the best ggoooooooooo SPARTA
Posted by Cliffany Vasquez on 01/03/2012 at 10:43 PM
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Sparta is the best beacuse in Sparta every one gets to be citizens and also kids did not start desrespecting their parents nor the elderlies like in Athens. Also they depended ontheir selfs because they depended on farming they farmed, their selfs but Athens traded. you should all be surprised by this comment. (i put this here because something went wrong By:Britney Rodriguez 601
Posted by BRITNEYRODRIGUEZ on 01/03/2012 at 09:56 PM
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AGAIN!!!! Think about what the spartan's have done to citizen and what they held for the future and think about that if you were living there right know would you like or not that is why i pick athens because i compared it to myself and the world and how i would feel so you guys who pick sparta compare this to you and maybe you would change your mind especially that you guys did not have coins to trade and we created our own currency.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 09:35 PM
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FTW ATHENS!!! They have better education They can express their opinions about decisions in their City-State It was the first democrcy created!
Posted by Yesenia Burgos on 01/03/2012 at 09:24 PM
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GO ATHENS YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Edilly Camacho on 01/03/2012 at 09:21 PM
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tomorrow ATHENS ARE GOING TO WIN BECAUSE WE KNOW WAS IS BEST FOR US ........... TORTURE ( SPARTA) OR PEACE( ATHENS) ATHENS IT IS !!!!!!!!! GO ATHENS
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 09:15 PM
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Agthens like Education and Learning!!! The spartans didnt. All they cared about was themselves
Posted by Faith Providence on 01/03/2012 at 09:14 PM
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They have better education They can express their opinions about decisions in their City-State It was the first democrcy created! That's it ATHENS FOR THE WIN FTW!!!!!! :D
Posted by Yesenia Burgos on 01/03/2012 at 09:14 PM
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The children in Athens were treated better than the children in Sparta. MY opinion is that Athenians is the best because they got their education next step 1. they can get their collage degree 2. go to their dream job 3. then go to military school without being forced to
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 09:01 PM
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Athens are the BEST! because they are democracy and it means everyone has the right to vote and that is so fair. ATHENS ARE THE BEST PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by La Consentida on 01/03/2012 at 08:50 PM
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SPARTA CAN EVEN HAVE A THEIR DREAM JOB THEY HAVE TO BE A PART OF MILITARY. WHOEVER VOTED FOR SPARTA COMPARE IT WITH YOUR LIFE (FUTURE) AND HILTER AND WHAT YOU LEARNED . IS LIKE BEING JEWISH AND BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO ( HILTER) .
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 08:46 PM
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Athens ROCKS!!!!!They have education and in athens women have rights!!!!!!
Posted by Faith Providence on 01/03/2012 at 08:41 PM
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I TOTALLY AGREE SPARTA TAKE A CHILL PILL PLEASE AND THINK OF EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE TO THESE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR EDUCATION. THEY WANT TO LEARN TO READ AND WRITE LET THEM BE!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 08:42 PM
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I AGRREE TIFFANY. SPARTANS ARE STEALERS!!! THEY NEED TO GET EDUCATION!!!!
Posted by Faith Providence on 01/03/2012 at 08:47 PM
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im just going with sparta because i know they are the best and alejandra u think about it athen boo sparta yay!
Posted by Kkr Suduses on 01/03/2012 at 08:30 PM
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Spartans MEN do nothing nothing nothing why don't you think about all the torture they will do TO YOU.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 08:34 PM
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ATHENS WOULD ALWAYS FIGHT BACK. Is like a civilization. Think about the kind we learned and then compare it a maybe you would change your mind.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 08:13 PM
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Everyone that says that Sparta is the best is wrong sorry but think about it!!
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 08:18 PM
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They should keep on thinking what Spartans will do they will ...............TORTURE THEM !! AND THEN they will want to leave and go someplace else.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 08:26 PM
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Spartans killed babies if they dont seem to look healthy, they only worry about fighting, they "teach" children to handle pain,they were not fed enough so THEY EVEN LET CHILDREN STEAL FOOD IF THEY DIDNT GET CAUGHT!!.Atleast Athens care for education!
Posted by Wilaynes on 01/03/2012 at 07:42 PM
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Jorge but Athens would fight back if they had to but so that won't happen they just act nice now when there is a war or fight I guarantee you that they will fight back!!!
Posted by Luis Enrique on 01/03/2012 at 07:32 PM
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W2e!!! Then they made their neighbors grow food for them!!!!
Posted by Faith Providence on 01/03/2012 at 09:12 PM
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look bouth of them are good but if you hade to chose from been strong and redy for enithing that the happend in your live what would you choice been nice and reading poems like the athens did or figthing back and wining.
Posted by Jorge Morales on 01/03/2012 at 07:24 PM
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Been always nice like the Athens were would not help because you would not be brave enothg to face something big in your live.
Posted by Jorge Morales on 01/03/2012 at 07:26 PM
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YOU CAN TAKE MILITARY SCHOOL WHEN YOU THINK YOUR READY IN ATHEN
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 07:31 PM
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athens is the best,did you sparta people forget that sparta doesnt care about what other people thinkjQuery171015376568549826225_1330646940451!! they just care about them!!!! SOOOOOO ATHENS RULE!!!!
Posted by Dreisly Grullon on 01/03/2012 at 07:24 PM
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Athens are better because they aren't aggressive like Spartans!!! They trade and not take stuff from other people so they avoid problems.
Posted by Luis Enrique on 01/03/2012 at 07:19 PM
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But do you think they rely aboid all of there problems by just been nice.
Posted by Jorge Morales on 01/03/2012 at 07:31 PM
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athens is the best,did you sparta people forget that sparta doesnt care about what other people thinkjQuery171015376568549826225_1330646940450!! they just care about them!!!! SOOOOOO ATHENS RULE!!!!
Posted by Dreisly Grullon on 01/03/2012 at 07:18 PM
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TRUEE!!! SOME HATERS HEHE JUST KIDDING~!
Posted by Yesenia Burgos on 01/03/2012 at 07:20 PM
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PEOPLE THESE days ( Spartans ) don't care about their education.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 07:24 PM
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wE DO IS JUST THAT WE WANT SHOW THAT BEEN LIKE ATHENS IS GOING TO HELP SOMEONE!
Posted by Jorge Morales on 01/03/2012 at 07:41 PM
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Athens are the best because their education is not like Sparta which only thinks that they should go to military school and they don't think that English and Writing are important. WHAT?ATHENS ARE THE BEST PERIOD.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 06:59 PM
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look Athens care about that but did not respected a lot of rights.
Posted by Jorge Morales on 01/03/2012 at 06:58 PM
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ATHENS really care about everything especially English and Writing which Spartans didn't they care about nothing only military
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 07:03 PM
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They also grow there own gods and some times traded.
Posted by Jorge Morales on 01/03/2012 at 07:04 PM
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ATHENS traded in a place called the AGORA which Spartas didin't they don't even care about people they mostly care about what they do ........... TORTURE !! THE END.
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 07:09 PM
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yea but don't think for the women in athens
Posted by Dalila Cuellar on 02/03/2012 at 07:03 PM
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Athens because Sparta have the mind of violence and the education it's not really good ! Athens FTW ( For The Win)
Posted by Yesenia Burgos on 01/03/2012 at 06:58 PM
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Pause! You People Are Making A Big Mistake ! B) Athens Are The Best Because They Have A Democracy! Sparta Has Oligarchy!
Posted by Leslie Stay Bossin on 01/03/2012 at 06:17 PM
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TRUE and also a democracy is bigger than an oligarchy!
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 06:34 PM
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I think that athens is a better city state because they traded goods and that made relationships with others by joanel sassone 603
Posted by Justin Sassone on 01/03/2012 at 05:49 PM
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I think the athenians are better because the get to vote for what they want by justin sassone
Posted by Justin Sassone on 01/03/2012 at 05:46 PM
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i think spartas the best because they fought for whats theirs
Posted by Nadia Wavy Gallardo on 01/03/2012 at 05:43 PM
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Athens are still the best!!!!!!!
Posted by Alejandra Paulino on 01/03/2012 at 06:34 PM
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yea athens trade too and sparta barely even traded!!!!
Posted by Dreisly Grullon on 01/03/2012 at 07:10 PM
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Would like to be in a place (Sparta) that made you steel but in Athens you have freedom!
Posted by Giselle Jimenez on 01/03/2012 at 10:00 PM
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